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poor tom Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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All magical intentions are electromagnetic in origin, function and behaviour and like electrical charges can be propogated, modified, create resonance, be intensified, diminished or grounded. This is why one small doubt can discharge a month's worth of magical preparation. Or in the case of a group of students, one negative member can ground all of the positive charge that the others are trying to build up.
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This makes it sound like the powers behind magical process are automatic, unforgiving and blind, just like 'purely physical' ones. But are they? Using a physical analogy is one thing, and drawing parallels is another. You seem to be taking a further step, to identification. Since electromagnetism is part of the 'known' physical world, this seems to explaining the unknown by means of the known.
On the other hand, if it is just an analogy it, it must break down somewhere.
For example: what is the role of will in all this?
You quote Amado as saying...
| Gnasher wrote: | | 'There is the here and now; and everything else. Everything else is so vastly different; we cannot understand it until we undergo profound change. What we are here and now is useless if we wish to understand everything else.' |
In the light of this, how much inference can we justify making? |
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Gnasher Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there Poor Tom,
Electromagnetism is the outcome of Will in action.
The electromagnetic fields that make up the cosmos and everything in it are the outcome of a (for want of a better term) 'Cosmic Will' in action.
Each time you exercise your individual will you interfere with the surrounding electromagnetic fields. Each time a thought occurs it produces its own unique electromagnetic 'pattern'.
The powers behind magical processes need will to direct the flow of electromagnetic energy; no will, no flow.
The 'known' physical world is just a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum that extends into the 'invisible' and rareified realms. Our physical eyes are receptive to the slower wavelengths of light, but incapable of seeing beyond; yet it is our 'mind' that 'sees'; not our eyes.
Or to look at it from another angle, the known physical world is the region of time and space where the electromagnetic fields are at their most dense. In other regions the fields are more nebulous.
When Amado spoke to me he was intimating that until we undergo change we cannot reach the summit of the Sacred Mountain.
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'This is because ordinary vision can not see the summit for clouds and mists. By being One with his shadow, by making actual what is only potential he will obtain a fuller vision of his Original Self.'
Sacred Mountain page 51
This is the change I'm going on about.
Our inferences are distorted by personality and the bias and innacuracies of our internal models of what we consider 'reality' to be.
You say you are 'physical', but what exactly does this mean? Your physical body is in a state of constant flux and is never the same from day to day.
Electromagnetism IS the physical world. Matter is an illusion. Your experiences of the 'physical' world occur in another place - the invisible 'mental' worlds.
Unless of course you believe that 'mind' is a product of electrochemical brain activity; in which case, when you're dead - you're dead. So what's the point of studying Occultism? There is no 'Beyond'.
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'If there is 'being' then it is because there is a pulse, breathing rate, a brain-wave, light, and the wave-like forms of energy in the cosmos.'
'The Wrath of AC' - page 137.
If you read page 133 it mentions that Dr John von Neumann found that there was an aspect of a human being which some called 'soul' that was an 'energy being' attached to a space/time reference point.
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'The people concerned with the Montauk Project express their ideas in terms of wave-forms, wavicles and gaps in time and so on. When we occultists (ie. occultists of my school) speak of 'this world here and now' and 'that world there and then', I believe we are talking about the same things.'
'The Wrath of AC' - page 138.
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Gnasher.  |
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poor tom Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:05 am Post subject: |
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The idea that 'self' is a kind of localised aspect of a more universal consciousness, and possibly illusory, was not in dispute. This reminds me of William Blake:
1. Man has no Body distinct from his Soul for that call'd Body is a portion of Soul discernd by the five Senses, the chief inlets of Soul in this age.
2. Energy is the only life and is from the Body and Reason is the bound or outward circumference of Energy.
(from 'Marriage of Heaven and Hell')
The issue I raised were these:
1) While individual consciousness may indeed be a particular manifestation of something universal, why assume that this 'universal medium' is electromagnetism? Electromagnetism is the observed phenomenon, and the universe at large in all its dimensions is unknown. So, in the spirit of Amado's quote, how can we justify making a inference of this nature from the known to the unknown?
2) If 'will' is the force which has the power to cause changes in these fields of energy (whatever we should call them), then it is not the case that 'all magical intentions are electromagnetic in origin', since they have their origin in will. And if 'will' implies 'intention informed by consciousness' then there is freewill. In this case, Will is the one truly magical aspect-the only thing outside the chain of cause and effect- able to produce effects, but not itself subject to them (although its vehicle might be).
With this view of 'will' in mind, the parallel between magic and, say, electricity, does not hold at all points; in miles of cable, one hole may be enough to bring it to Earth, but to say the same about one small 'doubt' negating months of magical preparation seems based on the assumption that the two follow very similar laws. I would say this is taking a parallel too far.
| Gnasher wrote: |
You say you are 'physical', but what exactly does this mean? Your physical body is in a state of constant flux and is never the same from day to day.
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hmmmm did I say I was 'physical'?
| Gnasher wrote: |
Electromagnetism IS the physical world. Matter is an illusion. Your experiences of the 'physical' world occur in another place - the invisible 'mental' worlds.
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If...
em=physical world and
the physical world is matter and
matter is an illusion
then are you saying that em is an illusion? Or are you simply saying that what appears as 'matter' is really 'energy' ( a la Blake quote above and Einstein)? Few would take issue with this, but then I do not think that is the issue at stake.
As for experience occurring in 'another' place, I presume you mean that the arena of electromagnetism is 'one place' and the mental worlds exist in the 'other'- a kind of dualism. Or perhaps the interpretation is that there are (ultimately) only these worlds of consciousness, and that 'electromagnetism' is their (illusory) manifestation- what consciousness 'sees', its object.
There are other problems with 'universal mediums': for example, if there is only one substance (or type of energy) then how is anything distinguished? You could say that this is a function of 'will'- but that would be saying that the distinctions do not exist in the wave forms themselves, but only in our interpretation. If so, you might as well do away with electromagnetism altogether and just say that everything is in the mind. Electromagnetism of whatever else is 'out there' is nothing more than a blank canvas.
However, I would say that all these positions are problematic, none are satisfying and that, even if they were, they would be entirely misleading. The question then is how we approach truth: Like a physicist? like an philosopher? like a Buddhist monk? like a magician? like a virgin? like a simply country lad, corn in mouth? If we are innately capable of knowing truth, then that suggests we can do it regardless of particular intellectual temperament or framework.
The original post concerned the meaning of 'you are what we think'. To me this suggests that self is dynamic...consciousness and energy in the moment, ever changing, part of a whole. |
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Gnasher Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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'That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracle of the One Thing.' (Hermes Trismegistus.)
If the system of energy propogation is as it is here 'below', then it is the same 'above'.
Electromagnetic radiation is a phenomenon that takes the form of self-propagating waves. It has electric and magnetic field components, which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy propagation. The electromagnetic spectrum comprises of many different frequencies:radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays.
A tiny window of frequencies is sensed by the eyes (visible spectrum).
EM radiation carries energy and momentum that may be imparted to matter with which it interacts.
Other 'realms' exist in other frequencies.
One universal energy source, existing everywhere can give rise to an infinite variety of forms and functions. Everything in this cosmos of ours came from the single energy burst of the 'big-bang'. We are the condensed and constrained energy of stars.
The sexual force gives rise to countless variations in offspring.
How do we approach Truth? Head bowed and eyes wide open. As wily as a serpent and as harmless as a dove. Truth touches us all at various points in our short lives; but our self-contrived schemas often prevent us from noticing. We interpret the data incorrectly.
'You are what you think?'
My question would be: 'Where exactly do you think?'
Answer this correctly and the veil will drop. The 'door' will open. |
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